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1-4 have nothing to do with illegal immigration and all to do with backwards immigration laws.

5-6 are also the fault of immigration laws which make it impossible for them to buy insurance. Further, if you are going to mention illegals in hospitals, you must acknowledge that overweight people make up at least 60% of all patients in the ER and long term care. And, the average illegal is 18-25, the age bracket that seeks medical attention the least.

7, it sounds like you are from the 'there goes the neighborhood because a minority moved in' crowd which is more than apparently a racist comment. However, I will acknowledge that by kicking the illegals out, we are depressing home values because many homes have been evacuated adding to the supply of homes that must be sold while also lowering the demand. And people who choose to rent their homes rather than update them ruin the neighborhood.

8, they pay for these social services in the form of sales, property, SS, federal, state and unemployment taxes.

9 made no sense in the past. Illegals don't steal identities, they steal SSN only (without the matching name) in order to work. White Americans are those who are stealing identities with malintent. However, now that one must steal an identity to work in AZ, they will have to start stealing SSN attached to the correct name thereby making tax season a mess next year. Just wait.

10 is just made up. There is not a disproportionate number of illegals nor Mexicans in jail. In fact, for their demographics (male age 18-25), there is a disproportionately low number in jails.

Aks - 5-6 you are trying to blame on the immigration laws too? If they were here legitimately they would have no problem buying insurance just like the rest of us. You are a misguided individual. Overweight people are not as a whole criminals. Illegals are. Every single one of them.

Aks - 9 - You just agreed that they steal SS numbers only. So on top of being here illegally they are also admittedly thieves. But just a little thief. Not a big thief. Tell it to da judge! Since you have not been paying attention you haven't noticed that it is already a mess at the IRS. They are already filing bogus returns. Now would you like to put that under the little thief or big thief heading? Have you heard about being a little bit pregnant?

DAMN GF!!
I was getting ready to point out to this individual the very things you mentioned. So you pretty much covered it. Thank You
Obviously this person has never taken a ride down on the border. I have, South of Bisbee on the border road. It is disgusting at the amount of trash that is scattered through the desert.
The people that live down there are fed up.
There have been countless fires started by crossing illegals that had to be responded to by Forest Service or some other agency.
And med. emergency's? One air lift can cost $10,000.00 to $30,000.00 depending on the distance.
#4 has nothing to do with immigration you say.
Well if that person was not here illegally, then the other crime would have not been committed!
And the numbers you pulled out of the air 18 to 25 average. Check with crime statistics and the arrests made by the sheriffs office and ICE you will see the true numbers.
You should take a tour of Valley hospitals and talk to the hospital directors. They will tell you that one of the largest drains on the hospital are people using the hospital for primary care.

So what if the immigration laws aren't perfect! That doesn't give anybody the right to break federal laws and sneak into the country and then further compound their criminal history by breaking even more laws while here.

As far as illegals paying taxes, how many are being paid under the table, thus both the employer and illegal aren't paying taxes?

If American's go to the ER there's gonna be a copay or bill to pay, if they drive they better have insurance, the IRS is not forgiving if you try and skip out of paying and if you're jailed nobody is protesting your family being broken up, people are thinking you're an idiot and deserve what you get. This list goes on but you get my point.

This country has over a million legal immigrants a year. Generous if you ask me. The desire to have a better life does not mean sneaking over the border and jumping on the welfare bus and/or stealing an Americans job and shipping the money 'home'. The U.S. is broke and can't be helping every person that thinks they deserve a free ride.

8 goes back to the need to change the laws so that they can pay taxes with thier own cards and not have to use fake SSN to pay thier taxes. THey may contribute illegally to our tax system, but without their money, SS would be broke already.

9. we make sure they have to steal the SSN in order to feed their families. Now, they aren't going into homes and stealing bread. No, they are working with a fake SSN because they have to in order to BUY the bread. If a house is on fire and I break into it to save the life of someone I believe to be inside, should I be punished for breaking and entering? JWhat if that person started the fire themselves in order to commit suicide, could and should they be able to press charges against me for illegally entering their home?

10--I agree that illegals shouldn't be in jail in the first place, too.

Feskjs--you said that along with illegals comes a higher rate of crime and gang activity. I explained that there is a disproportionately low number of Mexican males ages 18-25 in jails because they are less likely than the average American 18-25 year old males to be arrested for a crime.

As far as the amount of money you quoted as being spent on illegals...

Illegals pay into the tax system. 18-25 year old males are the group least likely to need medical attention yet that is the demographic of illegal immigrants. THerefore, many more illegals are paying into the system than they are using. Look into the studies that show they cost more than they put in. Look at the methodologies. Even they can't hide that illegals pay sales, property, state, unemployment and SS taxes while paying federal taxes (which is the only thing counted towards the contributions of illegals). The prison numbers don't make too much sense because illegals are less likely to go to jail that you are. And illegals pay the property taxes for the schools they use. Schools are shutting down because the illegals left. I have friends who are teachers in areas where there WERE illegals. THeir schools are in a budget crisis because they aren't getting the money they should for the illegals and the state is hurting because the illegals aren't paying the taxes they were because they are no longer here.

Perhaps it is time you started thinking things through instead of repeating what you've heard. Every statement I said is a result of

If you weren't so incredibly ridiculous, you would be funny.
YOU need to look up the numbers. The only thing you stated (that made sense), was, "look into the studies that show they cost more than they put in".
And again you come up with this "disproportionate" nonsense. I don't care, 300 or 3000.
You whine about the laws, well get them changed. Until then you are supporting law breaking criminals.
And take a drive through a Hispanic area and you tell me why home values are depressed. It's not because they are empty. It's because there is no pride of ownership from the ones that are here illegally.
And as for checking the numbers, I have. With the Phoenix Police web site on gangs. Realty companies. The Sheriffs web site. There are also many other sites that give you the information that you need to make AN INFORMED opinion. Along with research locations that were used.
So, please do this before you bring your uneducated butt back here spouting your liberal double talk. It won't fly!!

FESK--please educate yourself to the real statistics before you repeat the garbage you hear on hatefilled radio programs that you obviously listen to on a daily basis. Fat, disgusting drug addicted hypocritical people like Rush are not people you should believe and aspire to be like. THat is not the conservative REpublican Party of the ole days. No, it is now the party of the religious Muslim, er, Christian zealots (who aren't even following their own beliefs) that have taken over your party and apparently your mind. I feel sorry that you can't think beyond the hateful rhetoric and actually research what you are trying to talk about.

I challenge you to read the studies yourself. THe entire study, not just the conclusions. Check the methodologies and the rest of it to see if you find the conclusions of the studies that say they take out more than they put in are valid conclusions. Of course, that would require you have some educational background in order to understand what you are reading. Unfortunately, the racist organizations are betting that the vast majority of Americans are both too lazy and too stupid to understand what they've read. And you appear to fulfill their assumptions.

Oh boy, you know I'm going to answer this and then not bother with you any longer. Your own babbling makes my case for me.

Yes, an over supply of homes in a depressed market will, over all, make for a generally depressed market. The main reason for this depression, people bought houses that they could not afford, or in programs that were risky. Sort of like buying stock in Bear Sterns. It's called capitalism, win some lose some.

But even when that same market was enjoying high returns, the areas that I mentioned were still depressed for the stated reasons.

So, as I said, try your liberal double talk some place else.